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xmdxx1182 发表于 2004-5-17 12:58

和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈

标  题: 和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈(zz)
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xmdxx1182 发表于 2004-5-17 12:59

和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈(下）
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3i'Z.^;X} 己，VO每天签那么多的人，多无聊啊，你必须设法吸引他，让他情愿给你谈话。
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totomm 发表于 2004-5-17 13:19

好文章！！

adipreneo 发表于 2004-5-17 13:21

好文~顶~！！！

longzhou810308 发表于 2004-5-17 14:37

很好的文章4C~1i`#q2y ]z
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libra2003 发表于 2004-5-17 15:42

先先/[2r|Wp aaT
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treeye 发表于 2004-5-17 16:15

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love_daisy 发表于 2005-7-27 15:06

不顶白不顶：）

vanlein 发表于 2006-2-1 15:54

ding 　收获很多　谢谢哦

mimitu 发表于 2006-2-5 20:23

原来CO还学心理学呀！！！

RomeoRen 发表于 2006-2-6 16:52

好帖啊～～

zhezhe2003 发表于 2006-4-11 00:21

真的很好的一篇文章！给了我很多的启示！
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谢谢楼主！

access001 发表于 2006-4-11 21:44

很有意义，但是要包装自己很难。

momoko_tao 发表于 2006-4-13 17:47

很有用

一边看一边想自己慢点该怎么回答~~谢谢

gsccl 发表于 2006-5-4 22:27

受益非浅啊。。。顶

edwincca 发表于 2006-5-5 01:00

谢谢 LZ~ 好帖啊

dreammissed 发表于 2006-5-6 11:28

That's great and helpful!

水蓝 发表于 2006-5-6 12:08

谢谢LZ:-)

GRE-Toeflonline 发表于 2006-5-7 11:57

Every special and also very useful.

dreammissed 发表于 2006-5-14 05:04

确实给人很大启示，在此谢过lz
1P[.V]Q2FB0q6| 文中关于which school and standards的问题应该解决了很多人关于选校，排名差的疑虑%]LY~0i^2^
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9iCPY%E2C 嗯，看了一些帖子，总算领悟了一点，6月签，还需要认真准备，祝自己1k顺利！
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TinyToony 发表于 2006-5-16 21:24

那个单词是 M A S C O T!~

seeingruan 发表于 2006-5-17 09:40

ding

有用有用。

swellingiceberg 发表于 2006-5-21 23:52

zan~~

开膛手杰克 发表于 2006-5-22 15:17

哈哈

good!!!!!!!!

ceoooo 发表于 2007-5-28 10:18

恶意灌水，楼上请注意！

YSue 发表于 2007-5-29 13:33

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好好准备，祝自己1000顺利通过
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yaolan.happy 发表于 2007-5-31 13:11

有用  顶~

sunny_byj 发表于 2007-6-4 22:31

太强了,我也6月签,wish me good luck!

caithoven 发表于 2008-4-19 00:31

顶！5JN|[/Q Lo;ZI8v
这么好的贴~
$ix!W I*y;V)C 从中也可看出VO的阴险……

cyn3 发表于 2008-6-2 00:25

ding

我爱小毛驴 发表于 2008-6-21 09:59

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christychou707 发表于 2008-6-21 14:38

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5t/@,M(Ji 这段很受用 分享拉

charlotteF 发表于 2008-6-29 17:30

we have a handbook so during the interview, we can consult it, Haaaaaa
Xq?q6])Q wM9] 什么意思 难道他们清楚你申请了几个学校????

alwaysleaf 发表于 2009-1-13 19:13

mark一下

xenophobe_ouc 发表于 2009-2-14 17:30

好文章~~值得读

lingfengtang 发表于 2009-5-3 20:37

我看过的关于签证的最好的文章之一！有个问题请问楼主：你的意思是VO可以查到我们申请了多少所学校，申请了哪些学校吗？

simon1991 发表于 2009-5-4 16:00

查不到

chxiaosh 发表于 2009-5-4 16:40

顶，非常好

pitte 发表于 2009-5-14 21:07

好贴，深受启发，留美动机和归国计划，

mjzmoon 发表于 2009-5-16 17:01

我也是学IR的，看了后很有启发，顶了！11::31

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